From evan at telly.org Fri Apr 7 10:39:16 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri Apr 7 10:32:55 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] test Message-ID: <44367994.7080807@telly.org> test From evan at telly.org Mon Apr 10 12:03:08 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:56:28 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Welcome to the CLUE volunteers list! Message-ID: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> The response to my last email was very encouraging, in that a number of the tasks that I indicated needed help now have that help. I've now created this mailman list in order to facilitate communications between CLUE's volunteers, while keeping archives and automating the subscribe/unsubscribe process. If possible, it would be nice if everyone could post a paragraph or so introducing themselves; I'll start with myself. I'm now acting as Executive Director of CLUE after a stint of many years with helping to create and grow the Linux Professional Institute. I've been in the Unix and Linux fields since the mid-80s, and have been involved with a number of user groups and associations. I'm involved with CLUE because I believe that Canada really needs an organization of this kind. - Evan From peter at netpedant.com Mon Apr 10 12:40:52 2006 From: peter at netpedant.com (peter@netpedant.com) Date: Mon Apr 10 12:34:05 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Welcome to the CLUE volunteers list! In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:03:08 -0400. <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> Message-ID: <31531.1144687252@pop.metron.com> OK. I'm Peter H. Salus, elderly person. Among other things, I'm the author of "A Quarter Century of UNIX" (1994) and "Casting the Net" (1995). I've been Executive Director of USENIX, of the SUN User Group, and of the Tcl/Tk Consortium; and Vice President of the FSF. I was a professor at U of Toronto (1969-80), and a member of its Governing Council (1976-79). I'm currently a historical consultant to IBM's lawyers in the SCOG v IBM case and posting a new book on Groklaw. P From charlesm at theworkingcentre.org Mon Apr 10 13:28:25 2006 From: charlesm at theworkingcentre.org (Charles McColm) Date: Mon Apr 10 13:21:43 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Introductions In-Reply-To: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> Message-ID: <000001c65cc4$2cfbc240$8501a8c0@theworkingcentre.org> I'm Charles. I work for a not-for-profit organization in Kitchener, The Working Centre, which builds community relationships through a number of programs. I have the wonderful "job" of supervising volunteers in recycling computers! I was introduced to Linux a bit late in the game, 1997. I "jumped ship" to FreeBSD for a couple of years before settling down with Linux permanently at home. Cheers, Charles McColm, charlesm@theworkingcentre.org From nybbled at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 15:39:07 2006 From: nybbled at gmail.com (John Hurley) Date: Mon Apr 10 15:32:43 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Introductions Message-ID: <1196532953-1144697970-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-29221-@engine26-cell06> I don't have such a fun list of qualifications and the like. Basically I'm an aspiring programmer, and new media fan. The biggest thing I've been working on is Generation/4 Media. I am still attending highschool, and last year I ran our only linux lab, with 'old' equipment. Anyways, I hope whatever I can offer CLUE will be welcomed. Thanks all! -- John Hurley 905-978-7708 From psema4 at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 16:54:12 2006 From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:47:24 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Welcome to the CLUE volunteers list! In-Reply-To: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> References: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0604101354o32632f5fxf28698b8343a814e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, My name is Scott Elcomb, and I'm an addict. Oh wait, this isn't ... n/m - wrong group. =) Seriously though, I'm an avid type'a fella - I work in logistics, and use and/or create Open Source software and techniques to solve problems. Whether directly or indirectly, it's my intent to see and/or help Canada become a world leader in Free/Libre & Open Source Software. Beyond the code, I see f/loss as being a very effective educational tool - a prime environment for teaching leadership and self-development skills. -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." - John F. Kennedy From chris.jezovnik at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 17:50:40 2006 From: chris.jezovnik at gmail.com (Chris Jezovnik) Date: Mon Apr 10 17:43:50 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Welcome to the CLUE volunteers list! In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0604101354o32632f5fxf28698b8343a814e@mail.gmail.com> References: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> <99a6c38f0604101354o32632f5fxf28698b8343a814e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, if Scott is a type A personality, then I'm a type B ( B+ on a good day ). Hi everyone, my name is Chris Jezovnik. I'm the founder and moderator of the Tillsonburg Linux Users Group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tillug ) located in Tillsonburg, Ontario (pop. 15,000). I also run a small Linux consultancy in town called "Open Computing" ( www.opencomputing.ca ) which I launched in January. I look forward to meeting all of you. On 4/10/06, Scott Elcomb wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is Scott Elcomb, and I'm an addict. > > Oh wait, this isn't ... n/m - wrong group. =) > > Seriously though, I'm an avid type'a fella - I work in logistics, and > use and/or create Open Source software and techniques to solve > problems. Whether directly or indirectly, it's my intent to see > and/or help Canada become a world leader in Free/Libre & Open Source > Software. > > Beyond the code, I see f/loss as being a very effective educational > tool - a prime environment for teaching leadership and > self-development skills. > > -- > Scott Elcomb > psema4.gotdns.com > > "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be > peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care > enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a > revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We > can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." > > - John F. Kennedy > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers > -- Chris Jezovnik ----------------------------------------------- Open Computing 29 Brock St. W. Tillsonburg, ON N4G 2A3 Office: 519-688-0299 www.opencomputing.ca From colleen.beamer at gmail.com Mon Apr 10 17:58:14 2006 From: colleen.beamer at gmail.com (Colleen Beamer) Date: Mon Apr 10 17:51:31 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Welcome to the CLUE volunteers list! In-Reply-To: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> References: <443A81BC.2050508@telly.org> Message-ID: <443AD4F6.302@gmail.com> Hi, I'm Colleen. I certainly don't have the background of some of our more illustrious cohorts. I started using Unix back in 1994 when I was the weekend systems operator at a local hospital. Then, I got a temporary position as system operator that ultimately let to a full time position. Both these positions were very junior when it came to systems operation and any knowledge gained was the result of "on the job" training. My first exposure to Linux was in late 1998 when a friend introduced me to it. Although I tried it, I had only a 486 at the time and I found the gui too unbearably slow, so gave up until 2000 when I got a better computer. Since then, I took a basic Unix course to help give me a better foundation, since my previous experience had not required that I delve too deeply into the file system. Since then, I have never looked back. I've tried various distributions, but now run Gentoo on my home computer. I am eager to do whatever I can to help promote Linux, no matter how menial. My biggest Linux claim to fame to date is that I wrote the handbook for Krecipes, a KDE recipe management program. Regards, Colleen Beamer From ugob at linux.ca Mon Apr 10 22:26:22 2006 From: ugob at linux.ca (Ugo Bellavance) Date: Mon Apr 10 22:19:39 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Introductions In-Reply-To: <000001c65cc4$2cfbc240$8501a8c0@theworkingcentre.org> References: <000001c65cc4$2cfbc240$8501a8c0@theworkingcentre.org> Message-ID: <443B13CE.7010902@linux.ca> I'm Ugo, I've been working with linux since ~2000 (RedHat 6.). I'm currently an independant consultant (www.lubik.ca) near Montreal, Quebec. I still work with a few windows servers, but most of my clients hire me to manage linux internet servers and their network infrastructure and security. I also have a lot of knowledge about spam/virus-filtering gateways and I'm currently trying to learn Asterisk enough to be able to work on other projects than my own PBX. I've got Bachelor's in Management, but never been in a managerial position. I've got a Master's in Electronic commerce, which was a mix of Comp Sc., management and law. I helped clue mainly for sysadmin tasks in the past and I'll see what I can do for the rest. If you'd like to know more about me or about what I have to say, you may want to take a look at my blog: http://blog.lubik.ca. Ugo From kburtch at istop.com Tue Apr 11 08:24:30 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Tue Apr 11 08:17:49 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Introductions In-Reply-To: <443B13CE.7010902@linux.ca> References: <000001c65cc4$2cfbc240$8501a8c0@theworkingcentre.org> <443B13CE.7010902@linux.ca> Message-ID: <1144758270.31424.5.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> I'm Ken Burtch, author of "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" and currently working on a new book on Perl. I've been working with Linux since 1994 (that's before kernel 1.0). I founded PegaSoft (http://www.pegasoft.ca) as a user group for Linux professionals, focusing on development issues, business issues and following Linux trends in Canada. KB On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 22:26 -0400, Ugo Bellavance wrote: > I'm Ugo, > > I've been working with linux since ~2000 (RedHat 6.). I'm currently an > independant consultant (www.lubik.ca) near Montreal, Quebec. I still > work with a few windows servers, but most of my clients hire me to > manage linux internet servers and their network infrastructure and > security. I also have a lot of knowledge about spam/virus-filtering > gateways and I'm currently trying to learn Asterisk enough to be able to > work on other projects than my own PBX. I've got Bachelor's in > Management, but never been in a managerial position. I've got a > Master's in Electronic commerce, which was a mix of Comp Sc., management > and law. > > I helped clue mainly for sysadmin tasks in the past and I'll see what I > can do for the rest. > > If you'd like to know more about me or about what I have to say, you may > want to take a look at my blog: http://blog.lubik.ca. > > Ugo > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From gerry at pathtech.org Tue Apr 11 13:44:15 2006 From: gerry at pathtech.org (G. Roderick Singleton) Date: Tue Apr 11 13:37:28 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Quick intro Message-ID: <1144777455.7044.360.camel@www.pathtech.org> Hi, My full name is Gerry Roderick Singleton and I am the current CLUE webmaster and a developer for the new CLUE web site, http://old.linux.ca/ Please try it out. One of my tasks is to implement a drupal/ecommerce module for InternetSecure. If any of you are familiar with drupal/ecommerce and/or InternetSecure, please email me so we can co-ordinate efforts. I am trying to get this in place for LinuxWorld. Some of you already have tasks that will affect the new CLUE webpages, if you need access please email me so this can be enabled. -- G. Roderick Singleton PATH tech -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not surprisingly it was a copyright question, and I have learned quite a bit about this inappropriately complicated law since then: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/ecfce09243d4050f I was one of those lucky few that got to read mailing list and newsgroup discussions in the community that were trying to convince Linus to use the GNU GPL for his software. While I was convinced on the merits of the Copyleft (reciprocal) Free Software licenses right from the beginning, it is interesting history to note that Linus wasn't (and IMHO still isn't) convinced. I'm the co-coordinator for Getting Open Source Logic INto Governments http://goslingcommunity.org and the host for the Digital Copyright Canada forum http://digital-copyright.ca . For money I'm a self-employed sysadmin, software author, policy wonk, etc http://flora.ca Oh, and please write a letter to your MP to let them know your thoughts about copyright and the harm to our community from the current direction of copyright revision. Please convince everyone you know to do the same thing. Go to http://digital-copyright.ca and you'll see a form letter you can send. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: 2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording, Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization. Send a letter to your Canadian MP! --> http://digital-copyright.ca/ From evan at telly.org Mon Apr 17 15:30:25 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon Apr 17 15:23:29 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] [Fwd: Expand Your Knowledge with Microsoft] Message-ID: <4443ECD1.4050604@telly.org> Interesting. In the category of "know your enemy", I will be attending this presentation Thursday morning. Ottawa is tomorrow morning, and Mississauga (at the MS Canada office, pretty close to Matt) is May 9. Sorry for the short notice, I just got the invite an hour or so ago. If anyone else is interested in attending, feel free to register online. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Expand Your Knowledge with Microsoft Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:07:56 -0700 From: Jeffrey Ewin (Intl Vendor) To: By way of introduction, my name is Jeff Ewin. I am the TechNet Community Manager at Microsoft Canada. As the leader of a highly technical community, you know the importance of providing your fellow user group members with the latest information on the technology alternatives available. Here?s a chance for you and your user group to Expand Your Knowledge and Stay Informed. I would like to invite yourself and your members to the ?Expand Your Knowledge Tour 2006? event with Barnaby Jeans. This complimentary event is being held in cities across Canada during the Months of April and May. Hear Barnaby Jeans speak on the evolution of operating platforms. Gain insights into how Linux and Open Source Software have developed, how they are tested, distributed and more. Learn about how Microsoft approaches Security and get the facts around vulnerability's. Explore the Ecosystem ? who are the players and who?s accountable for what. And finally, get the answers to the questions on everybody?s mind: Are Linux and Open Source Software driving technology innovation? What is the roadmap for strategic IT planning? As an added bonus, all attendees will receive the ?Expand Your Knowledge? kit to facilitate your continued learning and evaluation process. Additional information for your members is included in the attached invitation. To register, please visit: www.microsoft.ca/technet/expand2006 Space is limited ? RSVP soon. If for any reason members of the user group are unable to register, please feel free to email me directly. I look forward to seeing you at the event! 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Roderick Singleton) Date: Tue Apr 18 07:02:53 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Help with a CLUE brochure for LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <44445551.8090706@telly.org> References: <44445551.8090706@telly.org> Message-ID: <1145358621.17938.47.camel@www.pathtech.org> On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 22:56 -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if a couple of folks can help me in the next 48 hours to > create a "why join CLUE" brochure to give out at LinuxWorld. I know > Scott offered... is there anyone else who could lend a hand? If you have the content, I can put one together today. Tri-fold or bi-fold and are you going to take it to a printer? -- G. Roderick Singleton PATH tech -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The FLOSS community needs a voice in these political discussions, and a membership driven organization like CLUE is ideal. The more members that CLUE has, the greater the beneficial influence we can have on government policy. Some areas of interest: - Government procurement: Governments are trying to "simplify" the counting of existing proprietary licenses by negotiating government-wide licenses with specific vendors such as Microsoft. We need to ensure that this roadblock to FLOSS is not erected. - Government use of Standards: We need to ensure that when governments offer documents or otherwise interact with the public that they do so only using vendor-neutral standards. We need to ensure that our own governments don't continue to impose specific vendor choices on fellow citizens. - Copyright : The Federal Government is moving towards implementing a US DMCA type law in Canada. Among other things this law would seek to disallow the owners of computers to "run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve software" which can access digital content, meaning that people will be forced to choose between being able to legally access the digital content from the mainstream media or run FLOSS software. We need to ensure that the rights of computer owners, including the right to choose FLOSS, is protected. - Software Patents: For software to be FLOSS you need to have the right to "run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve software" without additional permission or payment. Software patents impose a regime where this permission and payment is required to even author your own software if it impliments specific techniques, with patented techniques being added to many interfaces (Internet protocols, file formats, interfaces to hardware, etc). Licenses that claims to be Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory (RAND) impose per-unit payment systems, which are incompatable with FLOSS. The Canadian Patent Office has been granting software patents based on a controvercial re-interpretation of the law, and we need to get the law clarified to eithor exclude software from patentability, or provide a "fair use" exception for royalty-free software and standards. ...etc... This is too much for a broshure, but the concepts might be included. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: 2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording, Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization. Send a letter to your Canadian MP! --> http://digital-copyright.ca/ From kburtch at istop.com Tue Apr 18 09:31:28 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Tue Apr 18 09:24:04 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Help with a CLUE brochure for LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <4444E7D6.9000406@flora.ca> References: <44445551.8090706@telly.org> <4444E7D6.9000406@flora.ca> Message-ID: <1145367088.15788.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 09:21 -0400, Russell McOrmond wrote: > Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just wondering if a couple of folks can help me in the next 48 hours to > > create a "why join CLUE" brochure to give out at LinuxWorld. I know > > Scott offered... is there anyone else who could lend a hand? > > > Should we brainstorm content online? > > > - There are many changes to government policy, at all levels of > government, that affect FLOSS users and developers. The FLOSS community > needs a voice in these political discussions, and a membership driven > organization like CLUE is ideal. The more members that CLUE has, the > greater the beneficial influence we can have on government policy. [snip] Who is the audience you are trying to reach? Or is it general information about CLUE's direction? KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From evan at cluecan.ca Tue Apr 18 10:49:09 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:45:31 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Help with a CLUE brochure for LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <1145367088.15788.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> References: <44445551.8090706@telly.org> <4444E7D6.9000406@flora.ca> <1145367088.15788.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <4444FC65.50708@cluecan.ca> Ken Burtch wrote: >Who is the audience you are trying to reach? Or is it general >information about CLUE's direction? > > We need to assume no prior knowledge of CLUE. The intended audience is people who are involved in IT and open source. What I'd like to do is convey in the brochure: - What CLUE is / why it exists - Why join? - pointer to the website We don't want to pack it full of text; the message should be simple and easy to act upon. What do folks think about the attached design? It's too late to make buttons, but I was thinking of making a large (3x3 or 4x4 foot) poster of it for the backdrop, to go alongside the mapwork that Richard is doing. While this may not be suitable as a logo for CLUE (and I really don't want to revisit the CLUE-logo issue at this time), it's attention-getting and suggests at CLUE's role as a voice of the community. How about for the brochure? - Evan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cluebutton.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 91560 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.linux.ca/pipermail/volunteers/attachments/20060418/4dbd63bd/cluebutton-0001.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's too late to make > buttons, but I was thinking of making a large (3x3 or 4x4 foot) poster > of it for the backdrop, to go alongside the mapwork that Richard is > doing. > > While this may not be suitable as a logo for CLUE (and I really don't > want to revisit the CLUE-logo issue at this time), it's > attention-getting and suggests at CLUE's role as a voice of the > community. How about for the brochure? Personally, I think it's great! As you say, it's attention getting and I would think would arouse people's curiousity. Regards, Colleen > > >_______________________________________________ >volunteers mailing list >volunteers@cluecan.ca >http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers > > From evan at telly.org Wed Apr 19 10:02:55 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed Apr 19 09:55:34 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] URGENT: Ad for Computing Canada Message-ID: <4446430F.4030409@telly.org> Hi folks, As part of the deal I struck with ITBusiness/ Computing Canada, CLUE have been given space to run a quarter-page (4 5/8" x 3 3/4") ad of our choosing. It has to be ready April 26 (I just heard that deadline minutes ago). Can someone help? - Evan From psema4 at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 10:32:45 2006 From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:25:15 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] URGENT: Ad for Computing Canada In-Reply-To: <4446430F.4030409@telly.org> References: <4446430F.4030409@telly.org> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0604190732i1a80785ao51dbf0f0ac732566@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi folks, > > As part of the deal I struck with ITBusiness/ Computing Canada, CLUE > have been given space to run a quarter-page (4 5/8" x 3 3/4") ad of our > choosing. > > It has to be ready April 26 (I just heard that deadline minutes ago). > > Can someone help? I need to catch up on my mail, but my recommendation would be to get the brochure done first, take the core message and use that for the Ad. Then use simple graphics to enhance the message. Is it expected to be grayscale or color? -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." - John F. Kennedy From psema4 at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 10:49:46 2006 From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb) Date: Wed Apr 19 10:42:16 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Help with a CLUE brochure for LinuxWorld In-Reply-To: <4445013B.9030505@gmail.com> References: <44445551.8090706@telly.org> <4444E7D6.9000406@flora.ca> <1145367088.15788.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <4444FC65.50708@cluecan.ca> <4445013B.9030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0604190749g60f7b67ew5598593e20fb2f01@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/06, Colleen Beamer wrote: > Personally, I think it's great! As you say, it's attention getting and > I would think would arouse people's curiousity. I'll second that. Simple and high-contrast. A big red dot telling people to get a clue... BTW, thanks for the support on the brochure... Resource management issues. [how to add another 16 hours to the day and work around not having transporter beams? lol] -- Scott Elcomb psema4.gotdns.com "A revolution is coming - a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough - but a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability." - John F. Kennedy From evan at cluecan.ca Wed Apr 19 11:01:23 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed Apr 19 11:00:34 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] URGENT: Ad for Computing Canada In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0604190732i1a80785ao51dbf0f0ac732566@mail.gmail.com> References: <4446430F.4030409@telly.org> <99a6c38f0604190732i1a80785ao51dbf0f0ac732566@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <444650C3.101@cluecan.ca> Scott Elcomb wrote: >>As part of the deal I struck with ITBusiness/ Computing Canada, CLUE >>have been given space to run a quarter-page (4 5/8" x 3 3/4") ad of our >>choosing. >> >>It has to be ready April 26 (I just heard that deadline minutes ago). >> >> > >Is it expected to be grayscale or color? > > Just asked. Greyscale. - Evan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe: "Do you want to control your computer, or do you want your software vendor to take that control away?" Or maybe just focus on the new vision/etc: "Meet the new CLUE: now more than Linux and User groups. The Vision of CLUE is to nurture a Canadian Information Technology environment which promotes collaborative innovation as well as open standards and the rights of consumer. Join with other people who have a CLUE." -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: 2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording, Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization. Send a letter to your Canadian MP! --> http://digital-copyright.ca/ From peter at netpedant.com Thu Apr 20 10:45:02 2006 From: peter at netpedant.com (peter@netpedant.com) Date: Thu Apr 20 10:37:20 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] a sample add Message-ID: <77576.1145544302@pop.metron.com> Russell McOrmond suggested: "Meet the new CLUE: now more than Linux and User groups." and "Join with other people who have a CLUE." I like these, but I'm in favour of terseness is ads. So: "Meet the new CLUE: MORE than Linux and user groups." and "Join with others who have a CLUE." Peter --------------------------------------------------------- Peter H. Salus, Ph.D. 211 St. Patrick St., #1001 Toronto, ON M5T 2Y9 CANADA peter@netpedant.com +1 416 408-1728 From evan at telly.org Fri Apr 21 01:21:22 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri Apr 21 01:13:42 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] LinuxWorld update In-Reply-To: <77576.1145544302@pop.metron.com> References: <77576.1145544302@pop.metron.com> Message-ID: <44486BD2.5080401@telly.org> Hi all, Here is just an update on what's happening at the show: Gerry Singleton and I will be at the booth most of the time. A number of you have expressed interest in coming to help at the booth; your time is welcome, let me know when you plan to be around. Gerry and I will certainly want to take some breaks and I'd like to find some potential corporate sponsors. I will be instructing the show organizers to make exhibitor badges for everyone on this mailing list. Just pick them up when you get to the show. Richard is working on a map for the backdrop, and I will be working on a large "get a CLUE" poster. I have ordered a button-making machine and supplies for 250 buttons which I hope will be here in time. (we may be making buttons at the show!) The machine will also be used to produce buttons to be sent to members who sign up (They'll say "I have a CLUE" rather than the promotional ones that will say "get a CLUE"). We expect to be able to sign up members at the show using the website's online purchase system (or so Gerry tells me). I will be bringing carpet and Gerry will provide the booth furniture. I intend to have 1,000 brochures printed in time. (Scott, are you still offering to help on that?) Any questions, comments or suggestions are welcome. - Evan From kburtch at istop.com Fri Apr 21 10:44:05 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Fri Apr 21 10:36:29 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] LinuxWorld update In-Reply-To: <44486BD2.5080401@telly.org> References: <77576.1145544302@pop.metron.com> <44486BD2.5080401@telly.org> Message-ID: <1145630646.31196.6.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 01:21 -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > Here is just an update on what's happening at the show: > > Gerry Singleton and I will be at the booth most of the time. A number of > you have expressed interest in coming to help at the booth; your time is > welcome, let me know when you plan to be around. Gerry and I will > certainly want to take some breaks and I'd like to find some potential > corporate sponsors. I offered to help man the booth on Wednesday. During what times will the booth need someone there and do you have a preference for when I am there? I poked around on the LinuxWorld site but can't (easily) find the show times. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From nybbled at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 10:45:25 2006 From: nybbled at gmail.com (John Hurley) Date: Fri Apr 21 10:37:37 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] LinuxWorld update In-Reply-To: <44486BD2.5080401@telly.org> References: <77576.1145544302@pop.metron.com> <44486BD2.5080401@telly.org> Message-ID: I'd love to come and help out, but I'm a student and all, and is there not an entrance fee? I can help for a day, It'd be a great experience... On 4/21/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Hi all, > > Here is just an update on what's happening at the show: > > Gerry Singleton and I will be at the booth most of the time. A number of > you have expressed interest in coming to help at the booth; your time is > welcome, let me know when you plan to be around. Gerry and I will > certainly want to take some breaks and I'd like to find some potential > corporate sponsors. > > I will be instructing the show organizers to make exhibitor badges for > everyone on this mailing list. Just pick them up when you get to the show. > > Richard is working on a map for the backdrop, and I will be working on a > large "get a CLUE" poster. > I have ordered a button-making machine and supplies for 250 buttons > which I hope will be here in time. (we may be making buttons at the > show!) The machine will also be used to produce buttons to be sent to > members who sign up (They'll say "I have a CLUE" rather than the > promotional ones that will say "get a CLUE"). > > We expect to be able to sign up members at the show using the website's > online purchase system (or so Gerry tells me). > > I will be bringing carpet and Gerry will provide the booth furniture. I > intend to have 1,000 brochures printed in time. (Scott, are you still > offering to help on that?) > > Any questions, comments or suggestions are welcome. > > - Evan > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A number of > > you have expressed interest in coming to help at the booth; your time is > > > > welcome, let me know when you plan to be around. Gerry and I will > > certainly want to take some breaks and I'd like to find some potential > > corporate sponsors. > > > > I will be instructing the show organizers to make exhibitor badges for > > everyone on this mailing list. Just pick them up when you get to the > > show. > > > > Richard is working on a map for the backdrop, and I will be working on a > > large "get a CLUE" poster. > > I have ordered a button-making machine and supplies for 250 buttons > > which I hope will be here in time. (we may be making buttons at the > > show!) The machine will also be used to produce buttons to be sent to > > members who sign up (They'll say "I have a CLUE" rather than the > > promotional ones that will say "get a CLUE"). > > > > We expect to be able to sign up members at the show using the website's > > online purchase system (or so Gerry tells me). > > > > I will be bringing carpet and Gerry will provide the booth furniture. I > > intend to have 1,000 brochures printed in time. (Scott, are you still > > offering to help on that?) > > > > Any questions, comments or suggestions are welcome. > > > > - Evan > > _______________________________________________ > > volunteers mailing list > > volunteers@cluecan.ca > > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.linux.ca/pipermail/volunteers/attachments/20060421/943849f0/attachment.html From evan at telly.org Fri Apr 21 12:08:44 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri Apr 21 12:00:58 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] LinuxWorld passes Message-ID: <4449038C.1000706@telly.org> If you're receiving this message, it means that I have registered an exhibitor pass under your name at LinuxWorld next week (with the exception of Russell, Mike and Ugo, who didn't indicate that they were coming onto Toronto for the show). You can pick it up at exhibitor registration at the show under the exhibitor name "CLUE". The badge will say CLUE and your role in it (most will say "volunteer"). If you want to get a free visitor badge with your own company address, you (and anyone else) are welcome to register at http://ems01.com/a/l.x?T=inlkdgbnfhlcddlhjabhbpbp&M=2 (use discount code A101 and Association Name "CLUE") Please email me the times you intend to attend and/or help at the booth. - Evan From peter at netpedant.com Fri Apr 21 13:44:53 2006 From: peter at netpedant.com (peter@netpedant.com) Date: Fri Apr 21 13:37:12 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] LinuxWorld passes In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:08:44 -0400. <4449038C.1000706@telly.org> Message-ID: <41659.1145641493@pop.metron.com> Evan, As you know, maddog has asked me to be at the LI booth (two down from CLUE). I will be there by opening on Tuesday. At that time, I trust maddog will have pulled it together more than he usually does, and so I will know "his" schedule. I will then make myself available to CLUE. Peter --------------------------------------------------------- Peter H. Salus, Ph.D. 211 St. Patrick St., #1001 Toronto, ON M5T 2Y9 CANADA peter@netpedant.com +1 416 408-1728 From evan at telly.org Fri Apr 21 15:50:48 2006 From: evan at telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri Apr 21 15:43:16 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure Message-ID: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> Here are both sides of a single-fold brochure. Comments, please, especially regarding the body text. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lw2006-brochure1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 102725 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.linux.ca/pipermail/volunteers/attachments/20060421/18d6ea37/lw2006-brochure1-0001.pdf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Comments, please, especially regarding the body text. _______________________________________________ volunteers mailing list volunteers@cluecan.ca http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers From colleen.beamer at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 19:01:34 2006 From: colleen.beamer at gmail.com (Colleen Beamer) Date: Fri Apr 21 18:53:43 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> Message-ID: <4449644E.6070204@gmail.com> Hey Evan, I hate to be the proverbial "thorn in the paw", but .... Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Here are both sides of a single-fold brochure. > > Comments, please, especially regarding the body text. I am assuming this to be an 8 1/2 by 11 page which will fold into a brochure that is 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 (or proportionally adjusted if it is not being printed on 8 1/2 by 11 paper). The front page looks great and will fold to give the "Get a Clue" graphic on the front. However, if I am interpreting correctly, the second page that you have attached will be on the inside. If that is so, it lends itself more to a double fold. With a single fold, the fold will go right through the middle of the graphic, which I don't think will look very good. I also think that if you're only going to fold the page once, that on the inside, you should adjust the text to 2 columns as opposed to 3. Just my opinion. Feel free to ignore it, if you don't agree. Regards, Colleen From evan at cluecan.ca Fri Apr 21 20:28:40 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri Apr 21 20:21:25 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <4449644E.6070204@gmail.com> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <4449644E.6070204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <444978B8.7020000@cluecan.ca> Hi Colleen, >I hate to be the proverbial "thorn in the paw", but .... > > No worries. What's the point of asking for feedback if I don't get some? >I am assuming this to be an 8 1/2 by 11 page which will fold into a >brochure that is 8 1/2 x 5 1/2 (or proportionally adjusted if it is not >being printed on 8 1/2 by 11 paper). The front page looks great and >will fold to give the "Get a Clue" graphic on the front. However, if I >am interpreting correctly, the second page that you have attached will >be on the inside. If that is so, it lends itself more to a double >fold. With a single fold, the fold will go right through the middle of >the graphic, which I don't think will look very good. I also think that >if you're only going to fold the page once, that on the inside, you >should adjust the text to 2 columns as opposed to 3. > > Adjusting this in CorelDraw (yeah, it's not open source but it's Canadian and I have a decade of familiarity with it) is easy. Changing to two columns also addresses John's issue about the graphic breaking up the paragraphs. 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Did you not mean, "Our vision is *to* nurture ...."? In the 4th paragraph, there should be a comma after the phrase "In early 2006". In the section, "The copyright threat", the line reading, "Others, such as the USA and European Union, has ... " should read "have ...". And in the same paragraph, "Now the new Conservative ..." should read "Now, the new Conservative ..." (comma after "Now"). Further along in the same sentence, "which if law" should perhaps read, "which if made law". In the section "Canada, open source and open standards", the last sentence should have a comma after the phrase, "At the very least". In the second paragraph in the same section, there should be a comma after the opening phrase, "In support of open source in Canada". However, this phrase is redundant, as it has been repeated at the end. Would your meaning not be better portrayed by something like, "Clue not only supports open source in Canada, but works to ..." and finish the paragraph as it was written.? In the same section, the first sentence in the 3rd paragraph is an incomplete sentence. Was it not your intention to say, "software", or something like that as the end of the sentence? The last sentence has a typo, "benefits from he flexibility". I assume the article should be "the". Sorry for the nitpicking, Evan. The text is actually *wonderful*, but we want the brochure to be professional and nothing bugs me more than something that is supposed to be just that, but has typos and grammatical errors in it. I will use an example of a book that I read, "Rebel Code", one of the first published about the Linux/open source revolution. The book was *wonderful*, but was loaded with typos and grammatical errors. I was so annoyed that I was prompted to write a letter to the publisher. Sure, open source is about constant improvement and catching bugs, but that doesn't apply when you're trying to "sell" or "pitch" something. Sorry, if nothing else, I'm brutally honest! :-) Regards, Colleen From evan at cluecan.ca Sat Apr 22 10:22:26 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat Apr 22 10:14:40 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <4449A8E0.80108@gmail.com> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <4449644E.6070204@gmail.com> <444978B8.7020000@cluecan.ca> <4449A8E0.80108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <444A3C22.5050002@cluecan.ca> Colleen Beamer wrote: >The two column version is *much* better. I don't know that I am thrilled with the fold going through the middle of the graphic, but I don't know what can be done about that and still have the page look good. > > The other possibility is to use the CLUE logo as a "watermark", very faint and the text just runs over it. >However, this is to point a couple of small grammatical errors. [...] > Again, thanks for this. I've come to take as a truism that no writer is immune to some good copy-editing. It's IMO one of the big flaws of blogs. >Sorry for the nitpicking, Evan. The text is actually *wonderful*, but we want the brochure to be professional and nothing bugs me more than something that is supposed to be just that, but has typos and grammatical errors in it. > > If it bugs you it will bug others; this is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. Please don't apologize, this is exactly what was needed. >Sure, open source is about constant improvement and catching bugs, but that doesn't apply when you're trying to "sell" or "pitch" something. > > I think it was Linus who coined the phrase "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" (or something like that). Of course he was referring to open source code, but it equally applies to flaws in design and language. John found a typo that snuck through the spellcheck because I had written "he" rather than "the". Computers won't catch that kind of thing but people will. >Sorry, if nothing else, I'm brutally honest! :-) > > Don't change! (Besides, this process was hardly brutal.) - Evan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: evan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 231 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.linux.ca/pipermail/volunteers/attachments/20060422/c69b411c/evan.vcf From colleen.beamer at gmail.com Sat Apr 22 10:51:08 2006 From: colleen.beamer at gmail.com (Colleen Beamer) Date: Sat Apr 22 10:43:17 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <444A3C22.5050002@cluecan.ca> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <4449644E.6070204@gmail.com> <444978B8.7020000@cluecan.ca> <4449A8E0.80108@gmail.com> <444A3C22.5050002@cluecan.ca> Message-ID: <444A42DC.4030509@gmail.com> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Colleen Beamer wrote: > >> The two column version is *much* better. I don't know that I am >> thrilled with the fold going through the middle of the graphic, but I >> don't know what can be done about that and still have the page look >> good. >> >> > The other possibility is to use the CLUE logo as a "watermark", very > faint and the text just runs over it. Yeah, that *would* work. However, in honesty, I would rather have the colour. Given the choice between the watermark that you suggested and a fold going through the colour logo, I would prefer the fold. :-) Regards, Colleen From russell at flora.ca Sat Apr 22 15:48:32 2006 From: russell at flora.ca (Russell McOrmond) Date: Sat Apr 22 15:40:36 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> Message-ID: <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Here are both sides of a single-fold brochure. > > Comments, please, especially regarding the body text. It might be helpful to clarify that the memberships are yearly. "has already" --> "have already" ? I'm wondering if the "copyright threat" section could be punched up somehow. I don't know how best to word it. The current one can be mis-read as if we are apologists for "copyright infringement", while it would be stronger paint us as "protectors of human rights" -- including and especially communication, cultural, innovation and property rights. For the Conservative government types we need to make clear that bill C-60 didn't "protect property rights" (intangible property or otherwise), but opposed Lockean real property rights. The most pressing technology issue is whether governments will protect or oppose the property right of the owner of a communications device, such as an MP3 player or computer, to be in control of that device for any lawful purpose. FLOSS provides additional protection for the rights of technology owners by giving them a transparent and accountable software option which ensures that the owner can be in control. In contrast, certain copyright holders are trying to abuse technology to circumvent the property rights of technology owners. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: 2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording, Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization. Send a letter to your Canadian MP! --> http://digital-copyright.ca/ From evan at cluecan.ca Sat Apr 22 18:22:42 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat Apr 22 18:15:11 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> Message-ID: <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> I've made some content changes to address Russell's comments, and fixed the buts that Colleen pointed out. 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You've got a big thumbs up from me! :-) Colleen From ahdfox at mac.com Sat Apr 22 20:18:43 2006 From: ahdfox at mac.com (Damien Fox) Date: Sat Apr 22 20:11:00 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> Message-ID: <81BB4BDD-C793-4947-9422-72277B9AB041@mac.com> willing to still take some editing suggestions re brochure, before 12 tonight? wanted to help before, no time -damien On Apr 22, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > From evan at cluecan.ca Sat Apr 22 22:47:51 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sat Apr 22 22:40:19 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <81BB4BDD-C793-4947-9422-72277B9AB041@mac.com> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> <81BB4BDD-C793-4947-9422-72277B9AB041@mac.com> Message-ID: <444AEAD7.2090003@cluecan.ca> Hi Damien, > willing to still take some editing suggestions re brochure, before 12 > tonight? wanted to help before, no time OK, thanks. 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Name: evan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 231 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.linux.ca/pipermail/volunteers/attachments/20060422/f4db0340/evan-0001.vcf From ahdfox at mac.com Sun Apr 23 13:19:16 2006 From: ahdfox at mac.com (Damien Fox) Date: Sun Apr 23 13:11:24 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: <444AEAD7.2090003@cluecan.ca> References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> <81BB4BDD-C793-4947-9422-72277B9AB041@mac.com> <444AEAD7.2090003@cluecan.ca> Message-ID: got text that isn't a PDF? it mixes up the columns when i try to cut + paste to make edit suggestions. word, OO, .txt all ok df On Apr 22, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi Damien, > >> willing to still take some editing suggestions re brochure, before >> 12 tonight? wanted to help before, no time > > OK, thanks. Use this current one as your frame of reference. > > - Evan > > > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers From evan at cluecan.ca Sun Apr 23 13:46:12 2006 From: evan at cluecan.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Sun Apr 23 13:38:42 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Proposed Linuxworld brochure In-Reply-To: References: <44493798.7070502@telly.org> <444A8890.60708@flora.ca> <444AACB2.8020502@cluecan.ca> <81BB4BDD-C793-4947-9422-72277B9AB041@mac.com> <444AEAD7.2090003@cluecan.ca> Message-ID: <444BBD64.3070600@cluecan.ca> Damien Fox wrote: > got text that isn't a PDF? it mixes up the columns when i try to cut > + paste to make edit suggestions. word, OO, .txt all ok Can you just call me now at 416-418-0574? I'm just heading out the door to the copy shop. If you can just tell me what you think needs changing I can do that quick over the phone. 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Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From kburtch at istop.com Mon Apr 24 09:31:17 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon Apr 24 09:23:09 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <1145885477.3583.14.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> P.S. I will have to drive in from St. Catharines so rendezvousing in the west end would be preferable if possible. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From gerry at pathtech.org Mon Apr 24 11:29:45 2006 From: gerry at pathtech.org (G. Roderick Singleton) Date: Mon Apr 24 11:21:46 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1145885477.3583.14.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1145885477.3583.14.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <1145892585.6149.232.camel@www.pathtech.org> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there someone I can drop them off with who can take them to the booth for tomorrow? Can we arrange a rendezvous time? Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. _______________________________________________ volunteers mailing list volunteers@cluecan.ca http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers From kburtch at istop.com Mon Apr 24 18:11:21 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon Apr 24 18:03:24 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1145892585.6149.232.camel@www.pathtech.org> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1145885477.3583.14.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1145892585.6149.232.camel@www.pathtech.org> Message-ID: <1145916681.3582.0.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 11:29 -0400, G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 09:31 -0400, Ken Burtch wrote: > > P.S. I will have to drive in from St. Catharines so rendezvousing in the > > west end would be preferable if possible. > > > > KB > > > > Ken, > > Even and I are meeting at my home, 30 Tedder Street near Lawrence West > and Jane. Would that do? Looks like that's not an option. Anyone else available tonight to pick up flyers or will I bring them in on Wednesday and lose half the show? Ken B. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From kburtch at istop.com Mon Apr 24 18:13:25 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Mon Apr 24 18:05:23 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1535184625-1145892705-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19383-@engine09-cell06> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1535184625-1145892705-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19383-@engine09-cell06> Message-ID: <1145916805.3582.3.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Nine it is. Bugger, that means getting up at 5:30 or 6 am and taking the Go from Appleby. I have a bad ankle so I hope there's chairs/stools. KB On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 15:31 +0000, John Hurley wrote: > Oh yes, I will be there around nine am. > -- > John Hurley > -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> > -Blog- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Burtch > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:29:22 > To:volunteers@cluecan.ca > Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth > > Hello Volunteers, > > Chris Jezovnik and I can man the booth on Wednesday morning, if someone > can tell me what time we need to be there. > > I'm printing up flyers (or is that fliers?) today to hand out at the > booth. Is there someone I can drop them off with who can take them to > the booth for tomorrow? Can we arrange a rendezvous time? > > Ken B. > > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From nybbled at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 18:17:14 2006 From: nybbled at gmail.com (John Hurley) Date: Mon Apr 24 18:09:14 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1145916805.3582.3.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca><1535184625-1145892705-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19383-@engine09-cell06> <1145916805.3582.3.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <1019636641-1145917032-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-12094-@engine34-cell06> Ok ill see u at nine -- John Hurley -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> -Blog- -----Original Message----- From: Ken Burtch Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:13:25 To:Forum for the people who make CLUE work Subject: Re: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth Nine it is. Bugger, that means getting up at 5:30 or 6 am and taking the Go from Appleby. I have a bad ankle so I hope there's chairs/stools. KB On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 15:31 +0000, John Hurley wrote: > Oh yes, I will be there around nine am. > -- > John Hurley > -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> > -Blog- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Burtch > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:29:22 > To:volunteers@cluecan.ca > Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth > > Hello Volunteers, > > Chris Jezovnik and I can man the booth on Wednesday morning, if someone > can tell me what time we need to be there. > > I'm printing up flyers (or is that fliers?) today to hand out at the > booth. Is there someone I can drop them off with who can take them to > the booth for tomorrow? Can we arrange a rendezvous time? > > Ken B. > > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. _______________________________________________ volunteers mailing list volunteers@cluecan.ca http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers From nybbled at gmail.com Mon Apr 24 18:28:40 2006 From: nybbled at gmail.com (John Hurley) Date: Mon Apr 24 18:20:43 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth In-Reply-To: <1019636641-1145917032-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-18059-@engine34-cell06> References: <1145885362.3583.12.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca><1535184625-1145892705-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-19383-@engine09-cell06> <1145916805.3582.3.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> <1019636641-1145917032-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-18059-@engine34-cell06> Message-ID: <1391447584-1145917719-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-12906-@engine34-cell06> Sorry. I will meet your at. About nine am at the booth. Call my cell phone if there is a chsange of plans, 9059787708 Thanks -- John Hurley -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> -Blog- -----Original Message----- From: "John Hurley" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:17:14 To:ken@pegasoft.ca,"Forum for the people who make CLUE work" Subject: Re: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth Ok ill see u at nine -- John Hurley -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> -Blog- -----Original Message----- From: Ken Burtch Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:13:25 To:Forum for the people who make CLUE work Subject: Re: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth Nine it is. Bugger, that means getting up at 5:30 or 6 am and taking the Go from Appleby. I have a bad ankle so I hope there's chairs/stools. KB On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 15:31 +0000, John Hurley wrote: > Oh yes, I will be there around nine am. > -- > John Hurley > -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> > -Blog- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Burtch > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:29:22 > To:volunteers@cluecan.ca > Subject: [clue-volunteers] Flyers and Booth > > Hello Volunteers, > > Chris Jezovnik and I can man the booth on Wednesday morning, if someone > can tell me what time we need to be there. > > I'm printing up flyers (or is that fliers?) today to hand out at the > booth. Is there someone I can drop them off with who can take them to > the booth for tomorrow? Can we arrange a rendezvous time? > > Ken B. > > _______________________________________________ > volunteers mailing list > volunteers@cluecan.ca > http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. _______________________________________________ volunteers mailing list volunteers@cluecan.ca http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers From kburtch at istop.com Tue Apr 25 22:58:48 2006 From: kburtch at istop.com (Ken Burtch) Date: Tue Apr 25 23:18:09 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Wednesday Message-ID: <1146020328.4136.4.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Unable to get a definitive answer from anybody, I'm aiming to arrive at the booth between 10:00 and 10:30 tomorrow morning, depending on traffic (I have to drive in from St. Catharines). I understand that's about the same time Chris Jezovnik will be arriving as well. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. From nybbled at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 07:08:34 2006 From: nybbled at gmail.com (John Hurley) Date: Wed Apr 26 07:00:16 2006 Subject: [clue-volunteers] Wednesday In-Reply-To: <1146020328.4136.4.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> References: <1146020328.4136.4.camel@rosette.pegasoft.ca> Message-ID: <463999455-1146049710-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-28200-@engine28-cell06> Yep, that appears to be the time chris will be there. I'll probably be there early again, as I am on the train now. -- John Hurley -Phone- <+1.905-978-7708> -Blog- -----Original Message----- From: Ken Burtch Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:58:48 To:volunteers@cluecan.ca Subject: [clue-volunteers] Wednesday Unable to get a definitive answer from anybody, I'm aiming to arrive at the booth between 10:00 and 10:30 tomorrow morning, depending on traffic (I have to drive in from St. Catharines). I understand that's about the same time Chris Jezovnik will be arriving as well. KB -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken O. Burtch Phone: 905-562-0848 Author "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" Fax: 905-562-0848 http://www.pegasoft.ca Email: ken@pegasoft.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caution: Comments may be less negative than they appear. _______________________________________________ volunteers mailing list volunteers@cluecan.ca http://www.linux.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volunteers