[discuss] OSDL and the Free Standards Group have merged to
form The Linux Foundation
G. Roderick Singleton
gerry at pathtech.org
Tue Jan 23 14:04:50 EST 2007
Please excuse the top post as I am in the middle of cleaning the CLUE
I think you have raised valid points. Thanks.
On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 13:43 -0500, Russell McOrmond wrote:
> G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> > Perhaps a better question would be, "Why do you think it is a bad idea?"
> Very good way to ask the question. I don't know if I think it is a
> "bad" idea, but I do have some reservations.
> I was very happy with the name change last year made by CLUE (CLUE is
> no longer an acronym), and the addition of BSD Unix folks to the
> advisory council for CLUE. I'm personally part of the Free Software
> community (My "leader", if I have one, is Eben Moglen* ;-), and thus was
> quite comfortable becoming very involved in an "Association for Open
> Source" (Where I add in the "Free/Libre and" part often).
> * The speech that Eben Moglen gave at the Plone conference titled
> "Software and Community in the Early 21st Century" explains why I'm
> involved in FLOSS (and why I'm a software/copyright/etc policy person at
> all) better than anything else I've ever heard or read.
> OSDL and FSG moved from a mention of "Open Source" and "Standards" to
> now having "Linux" in their name. This puts it optically as something
> that Linus Torvalds might be the leader of, or at least an important
> trend setter.
> I don't trust (or agree with) Linus Torvalds any more than Linus
> trusts Richard Stallman.
> I worry that having CLUE be a member of "The Linux Foundation" might
> further suggest CLUE is a Linux association rather than a FLOSS
> association, making it harder for people like me (who is contemplating a
> move away from the Linux kernel) or the BSD folks to feel welcome.
> Of course, there may be absolutely nothing in the name -- and the
> name choice might be for purely marketing reasons (The media thinks it
> knows what "Linux" is even if it always gets "Open Source" and
> "Standards" wrong).
> P.S. I was very specific with Grant Buckler, the author of the
> ITBusiness.ca article today that quoted me, that I was speaking as
> myself and not as CLUE policy coordinator. He interviewed me about the
> GPLv3 and the division in the community that some people, most visibly
> leaders in the Linux kernel community like Linus himself, are causing.
> I realize this is an issue where my views aren't necessarily shared
> by others involved with CLUE.
> > In support of what you wrote, I think it might help that we have a
> > voice, however small, in ensuring that any US activities are _NOT_
> > extraterritorial.
> Interesting flip in the language. I believe you are thinking of US
> government (Specifically, USPTO and USTR) activities, rather than
> activities of supportive groups like OSDL/FSG.
G. Roderick Singleton <gerry at pathtech.org>
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